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Gearbox Lada Vesta: what does it cost and will there be an automatic? What gearbox is on the Lada Vesta Lada Vesta station wagon what gearbox is it?

The gearbox is one of the most important elements of a car. The dynamic characteristics of the car depend on the quality and reliability of the transmission. The gearbox affects how fast the acceleration will be and what speed the car can accelerate to. The gearbox partially affects fuel consumption at a given speed. Last but not least is the noise level - the less noise the transmission makes, the more comfortable it is for the driver and his passengers.

Main characteristics of standard boxes

Two types of gearboxes are installed on the Lada Vesta: a mechanical one, borrowed from Renault, and a robotic one - a deep modernization of VAZ mechanics. The reason for choosing the first foreign-made option was the increased noise of the VAZ 2180 manual transmission, which was installed on the pilot Vesta models. This was unacceptable for the new flagship of the concern. Then the developers decided to equip the manual transmission with an electronic control unit, the task of which is to turn on the speed and depress the clutch. This is how the robotic box appeared.

Advantages and disadvantages of mechanics

As stated by the former general director of the AvtoVAZ concern, Bo Andersson, the manual transmission from the Lada Grant and Priora - Vesta's predecessors - can no longer meet the needs of a fundamentally new VAZ model. As a result, it was decided not to use the standard 5-speed gearbox on the Lada Vesta, but to replace it with a more modern foreign analogue. So Vesta acquired a five-speed manual transmission from the second generation Renault Logan. It is impossible to compare the domestic five-speed manual with the French gearbox of the European standard. The characteristics of the foreign analogue are an order of magnitude superior to the domestic box.

One of the most important advantages is considered to be a significant reduction in noise. Owners of Lada Grants and Prioras noted a strong hum from the operating gearbox, which could be heard even if music was playing in the car. The Logan gearbox is quieter, the ride becomes more comfortable, which means the level of so-called “road stress” is reduced.

Important advantages of the Lada Vesta transmission are high build quality and reliability. Oil consumption is less and it does not need to be changed as often. With the same mileage, the domestic gearbox is characterized by increased oil consumption and the need to replace the oil seal, but such problems are not observed with the Logan gearbox.

The new box also has more precise settings. This means that fuel consumption is lower than that of its Russian counterpart - on a car of approximately the same weight and with the same engine characteristics, the transmission shows higher efficiency. Gear shifting is smooth - no jerking. Smooth running, coupled with reliability, quality, and high efficiency became the fundamental reasons for choosing a gearbox from Renault. Despite all the advantages, the mechanics also have disadvantages, the main one being inconvenience in dense city traffic. The Logan checkpoint is an old design and is no longer being modernized.

Advantages and disadvantages of AMT

Initially, Bo Andersson stated that the Lada Vesta would be equipped exclusively with an automatic transmission manufactured at the Izhevsk Automobile Plant. This statement was far from the truth. As an alternative to mechanics, an automatic transmission from the same Renault Logan was chosen. To reduce the cost of the machine, it was decided to use a French robot-variator - its technical characteristics were impressive.

The robot has five speeds, smooth operation, and is convenient, since the driver has the ability to switch speeds independently in manual mode. AMT can also upshift or downshift automatically after reaching a certain number of revolutions - the CVT switches to a new speed after reaching a predetermined gear ratio. The box combines the best qualities of a manual transmission and the convenience of an automatic transmission. The robot allows you to reduce fuel consumption when driving on the highway, accelerate faster, and feel more comfortable in city mode.

Gearboxes of this type are not new in the automotive industry; they were installed more than 10 years ago. The advantages are obvious, but there were no less disadvantages, so cars with a robotic variator were not in demand. Domestic designers decided not to take into account the negative experience of their foreign colleagues, considering the robot to be a promising direction.

They abandoned the Renault AMT and modernized the manual transmission of the VAZ 2180. Equipping it with additional structural elements from the German company ZF, they received their own version of the Lada Vesta robotic gearbox. Owners of this car and some other VAZ models received a computer that independently depresses the clutch and upshifts or downshifts. This turned out to be a good decision - the AMT remained structurally uncomplicated, and the weight increased by only 5 kg. The features of the new robotic box include the following:

• if you need to accelerate sharply, the robot can switch two gears at once;
• smooth shifting in city traffic jams;
• if you press the gas to the floor, the robot will still engage the clutch smoothly;
• while driving it is impossible to engage reverse gear;
• service life without repair – up to 10 years;
• does not make noise unlike mechanics.

The AMT box has advantages that distinguish it from mechanics:

• the capabilities of manual and automated gearbox control are combined;
• you can start driving immediately after starting (even in severe frost down to -55°C);
• automatic adjustment to the driving style of the car owner;
• there is no direct connection between the lever and the gearbox, which means there is no vibration and noise;
• cheaper to maintain and manufacture, simple and reliable compared to a full-fledged automatic machine;
• reduced fuel consumption;
• fast and smooth gear shifting.

Among the shortcomings, they note outdated technology, because the basis was taken on a manual gearbox created back in the days of the USSR. Little things include rolling back when parking on an uphill slope and the fact that you can’t do without a handbrake.

Vesta gearbox malfunctions and methods for eliminating them

Each gearbox installed on the Lada Vesta has a number of characteristic faults that occur most often.

Robotic box problems

The weakest link in the robot's design turned out to be the clutch. The most common malfunctions are excessively rapid wear of the driven disc, clutch basket, failure of the release bearing and guides. You can guess about problems with the transmission by slipping of the clutch, sudden jerks or lack of torque while driving. If the wear of the gearbox design parts reaches a critical state, the electronic control unit will sound a sound signal. A warning light will light up on the instrument panel, indicating that the gearbox is operating in emergency mode.

The second place in the frequency of breakdowns is firmly occupied by the so-called actuator. Malfunction of the electromechanical drive leads to incorrect gear shifting and incorrect clutch operation. Even the most reliable unit cannot last forever - long-term use inevitably leads to wear of parts. Most often, the brushes wear out and power outages occur. Also, in a robotic gearbox, levers and drive teeth fail.

You can learn more about all existing problems after diagnostics in a specialized technician. center, but these will only be external problems. The robot may have some not-so-pleasant surprises in store for the car owner in terms of its internal structure. Only computer diagnostics can detect hidden faults.

Using special codes, you can identify power failures and detect some mechanical damage. Today, the diagnostic program and codes for it are freely available, so you can carry out testing yourself.

Manual transmission problems

Manual transmission problems are almost always accompanied by a characteristic sound of a breakdown. There are other signs by which you can recognize that the gearbox is not in order.

There are more malfunctions of a manual transmission. However, it is worth considering the fact that in terms of its structure and design features it is simpler than a robot, and therefore cheaper to maintain. Some car owners solve common problems by slightly tuning the box.

Since the end of 2016, AvtoVAZ has abandoned the use of the French manual transmission in Vesta and Xray cars in favor of a domestic, modernized gearbox with the VAZ 21807 index. Now the domestic unit is installed on the entire model.

Technical parameters of the VAZ 21807 gearbox

Drive type - cable

Number of gears - 5

Main pair - 3.9

Comparison of basic parameters with French mechanics

From the indicators it is clear that installing a shorter main pair than on the Renault gave noticeable dynamics during acceleration, gaining 1 second “to one hundred”. The gear ratios were also adjusted, now the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears are longer.

Box JH3 510 (gear ratios): 3.727; 2.048; 1.393; 1.029; 0.795; main pair - 3.867.
2. Gearbox 21807, respectively: 3.636; 1.950; 1.357; 0.941; 0.784; main pair - 3.938.

What changed?

The logical question would be, what has changed compared to the old 2180 box? Has it become quieter? Has the howling gone?

AvtoVAZ, with the help of foreign partners, did a great job in refining the box. What was done: The production complex was equipped with other equipment in order to create a main pair and a second gear with a different gear tooth structure. The work was carried out in such a way that when braking the engine, when shifting gears down, the hum of the box was not so pronounced and coincided with the hum of the engine. In addition, the gear selection mechanism has also undergone minor modifications: now the gearbox shifts have become much clearer.

Is the new manual transmission of the VAZ 21807 quieter than the previous one?

The answer is YES! Quieter, no hum. Consumers are happy. But it should be noted that whoever is specifically looking for various jambs will find them anywhere

Why did they abandon the French box?

Previously, Vesta was equipped with a manual transmission with index jh3 and jr5. Undoubtedly, they were better than the VAZ mechanics of that time, but they still had jambs with noise and gear shifts. But the most important factor in refusing French units was the cost: French mechanics are almost 2 times more expensive than domestic ones. The situation is the same with the Nissan engine; they will not install it on Vesta; they will leave the 179 engines. In addition, box 21807 is capable of withstanding the torque of a 1.8 motor. (In general, the VAZ gearbox holds torque well; as an example, you can use motorsports athletes who install a standard gearbox on turbo VAZs).

Manual transmission service

• Changing the gearbox oil

Video of manual transmission 21807

Below is a video of the new box in action. You can verify that there is no extraneous noise other than the normal transmission and engine noise.

(The robot clicks the wipers and stabilizer bushings)

It’s not hard to guess that similar changes to the teeth will affect the VAZ 2180 gearbox.

Application of box 21807

This box is installed on Vesta and Xray cars paired with 1.6 106 hp engines. and 122hp

What kind of box do you have?

To determine which gearbox you have, domestic or brand new, you need to look at the VIN number of your car () everything is simple: The values ​​from the fourth digit determine the gearbox model (GFL11 - VAZ manual transmission; GFL12 - VAZ AMT; GFL13 - Renault manual transmission).

If you are wondering what gearbox is on the Lada Vesta, the answer will depend on the configuration of the car itself. The new AvtoVAZ is equipped with two types of gearboxes: manual and AMT (robot). Both of these modifications have been thoroughly studied by specialists and owners, and now we can speak with confidence about the advantages and disadvantages of each. Opinions are divided, and it is difficult to give the palm to either the manual transmission or the robotic gearbox of the Lada Vesta.

On a note!

Any vehicle with an internal combustion engine has a transmission. When working with “mechanics”, the driver makes an individual decision about exactly what gear ratio to set at a certain point in time. The manual transmission operates in tandem with the clutch, which allows you to separate the engine and gearbox and change gears without reducing engine speed.

A number of transmissions of the product of the Russian concern should ideally be supplemented with an “automatic”, as in the model ranges of foreign and reputable manufacturers. At the present time, buyers of new products from AvtoVAZ have a choice: a robot or a manual Lada Vesta, there is no third option.

The designers planned to introduce a manual transmission of their own production, but they were unable to create full-fledged mechanics in a limited period of time. Based on this, the decision to introduce a French transmission on the Lada Vesta was approved. AMT (robot) inside a new product – made in Russia.

Since the manual transmission on the Lada Vesta is developed by specialists from the Renault-Nissan alliance, it is distinguished by its quality and:

1. Does not create unpleasant noise when changing any gear.
2. Her work is fluid.
3. The shift lever was moved to the front of the box, as a result of which the current operation of the Lada Vesta transmission is accompanied by low oil consumption
4. Mechanics from Renault Nissan do not fail and rarely fail.

French developments, the latest equipment and advanced automotive technologies have allowed foreign designers to create first-class products. Many other foreign model cars use this manual gearbox, which has the abbreviation JH. Based on this, the price for such a development increased the cost of the sedan, but the Russian concern had no other choice. The foreign manual transmission Lada Vesta is mounted on all existing configurations.

Russian designers seriously intend to produce a Russian version with a box handle. The Lada Vesta manual transmission is being modernized and is already being installed on new sedans. It takes the basis from modification 2180. Noise reduction is achieved by reworking the main element and the second gear. However, manufacturers are in no hurry to reduce the price of a car with its own gearbox.

Brief features of the robot (AMT)

The robotic transmission on the Lada Vesta is domestically produced and widely used, but is created on the basis of foreign components and the extensive experience of French and Japanese colleagues. The advantage of AMT is:

• Actuators from Germany are mounted inside the robotic gearbox, the clutch is from the French company Valeo;
• The robot gearbox is equipped with a system for compensating for wear of parts and clutch failure;
• AMT has less weight than an automatic transmission (automatic transmission), therefore it reduces the cost of gasoline and oil;
• the Lada Vesta robot system eliminates unauthorized switching;
• it is possible to use a lever to change gears;
• built-in option for resetting stages;
• you can move away without pre-warming;
• the robot can operate with a low battery and skid for a long time when entering snowy or sandy terrain;
• repair and operation costs little money;
• Cars are towed without any visible disruptions.

AMT gradually replaced the automatic from the entire Lada model range, as it operates smoothly and relatively quietly. The developers say that such a transmission can last about ten years. A manual gearbox cannot boast of such durability due to the fact that it has many components, while an AMT is easy to create.

Interesting!

Immediately after the release of the robotic transmission, rumors appeared about big problems in its operation. There have been complaints that the lever needs to be put in neutral after every braking. They said that the box was setting the gear incorrectly. These misunderstandings were rejected by the headquarters of the Russian manufacturer and did not find sufficient evidence in widespread consumption.

Which gearbox is better?

Most drivers could not come to terms with the specifics of the robot. Experts note that the lack of a full-fledged automatic transmission does not allow Vesta sales to grow to the level of Solaris or Rio. Buyers do not trust domestic AMT and really hope that an automatic transmission, which completely lacks a manual mode, will soon start working.

On a note!

The president of the Russian concert officially announced that such a transmission will appear and will work in at least 4 years. This period is due to the fact that the creators do not want to introduce a four-speed automatic transmission on the Lada Vesta. Their plans include a six-speed automatic transmission. It is not yet known who will do the development and how.

Lada Vesta gearboxes have their own specifics, a number of features and disadvantages. To make a choice, you need to build on your own experience and preferences. Professionals benefit from manual transmission, and those who are not so knowledgeable about cars will find the Lada Vesta robotic gearbox useful. A smart and full-fledged machine can be recommended to everyone, but Vesta does not yet have it. A stepless variator from foreign colleagues may in the future compete with any of the announced transmissions that will be available in Lada trim levels.

From the very beginning of the production of Lada Vesta sedans, two types of gearboxes were installed on them - the French “mechanics” JH and the domestic “robot” AMT 2182.

JH has established itself as a reliable, unpretentious and quiet box. Actually, the noise of the box is the main reason for the refusal of domestic “mechanics” in the Lada Vesta line (according to the former head of AvtoVAZ, Bo Andersson). In addition to the domestic Vesta, this box is equipped with many foreign car brands. The French manual transmission is assembled in Russia (Tolyatti). In 2016, JH was no longer installed on Lada Vesta, but more on that later.

The AMT 2182 gearbox is an excellent solution related to the modification of the switching mechanism of the previous manual gearbox. The functions of the driver's right hand and left foot are now performed electronically. It is the electronic drive that best copes with its task in our winter conditions.

Replacing JH with a domestic manual transmission

But everything described above is not all the answers to the question of what gearbox is on the Lada Vesta. The year 2016 for AvtoVAZ was marked by the fact that changes were made to the configuration of vehicles with transmissions. The actively promoted import substitution program, as well as the desire to reduce the cost of production of the Lada Vesta, led the manufacturer to decide to abandon the French manual gearbox in favor of a domestic gearbox with the VAZ-21807 index. This gearbox is a strengthened version of the 2180 gearbox and even has better dynamic characteristics compared to the JH:

• The acceleration speed to 100 km/h decreased by 1 second (from 11.2 to 10.2).
• The maximum speed increased by 13 km/h (from 175 to 188).

Of course, any advantages do not appear out of nowhere. Therefore, the improvement in dynamic performance had to be paid for in fuel consumption, which increased from 6.9 to 7.5 liters per 100 kilometers.

JH3 gearbox

The “new” JH3 gearbox, which was installed on Lada Vesta until September 2016, is considered a maintenance-free gearbox with factory oil designed for the entire service life. On the one hand, one can only rejoice at this, on the other hand, nothing is eternal. Therefore, contrary to the manufacturer’s recommendations, we strongly recommend changing the oil every 70-100 thousand km.

Manufacturer's recommendation for the brand of oil used: Elf Tranself TRJ 75W80 or Elf Tranself NFJ 75W80. If you do not have the opportunity to fill in this particular oil, or for some reason you are not sure about this brand, then you can always use motor oils of other brands with similar characteristics. The most important thing is that the viscosity meets the technical specifications, as well as compliance with the requirements of the API GL-4 quality standard.

The presence of GFL13 symbols in the car’s VIN code indicates a JH gearbox.

Gearbox AMT 2182

AMT (automated manual transmission) is a development of a Russian manufacturer that is worthy of attention. The box is controlled by an electromechanical drive, which is perfectly suited to domestic climatic conditions. Unlike hydraulic analogues, the box does not “freeze” in winter and does not require warming up before the trip. The electronics cope perfectly with all the commands of the control unit, relieving the driver of tasks such as pressing the clutch pedal and changing gears. The only drawback of AMT can be considered slow gear shifting, which is clearly not suitable for those who like to “put pressure to the floor.”

The new Lada Vesta has been produced by the Volzhsky Automobile Plant for about a year. During this period, all technological solutions were tested in practice by drivers who purchased this sedan or hatchback. It is important for VAZ designers to know what consumers would like to see as the optimal version of Vesta. Listening to the wishes of car enthusiasts, the Togliatti manufacturer is gradually optimizing the technical characteristics of the Lada. One of the innovations was the introduction into production of a Russian-style manual transmission to replace the imported one.

AvtoVAZ engineers are also continuously working to improve the quality of automatic manual transmission production, as car owners receive suggestions and recommendations for improving the operation of the robot. In this article we will look at how the mechanics and automatic machine of Vesta change over time.

At first, French mechanics and a domestic robot were produced

The launch of Lada Vesta started in September 2015. Developers from Tolyatti decided to equip the car with the following transmission versions: a French manual transmission and a robotic version developed in Russia. The first version was produced with a 1.6-liter engine, and the second with a 0.2-liter larger unit.

When designing the car's chassis, engineers were faced with the choice of which manual gearbox to equip the Lada with: French or domestic. Many factors were taken into account when comparing the two options. A five-speed mechanism, which was used on previous models of VAZ sedans: Priora, Granta, Kalina, was considered as a domestic transmission.

But Vesta was envisioned as a car of a more modern era, so the gear shift system had to be at a fundamentally new level of quality. The box option of previous versions of sedans was bad in that it created a relatively high level of noise from the operation of the transmission. Also, the quality of smooth gear shifting of the VAZ 2180 gearbox did not meet the requirements of a modern high-tech car. In order to implement the 2180, the developers needed to eliminate the shortcomings of the old version.

But at the time of designing the Lada Vesta, in order to modernize the existing mechanics, it was necessary to significantly change the operating principle in order to remove noise and excessive sharpness of switching. The time period allotted for this development was not enough for domestic engineers. In addition, the accelerated modification of the VAZ gearbox was an unprofitable solution due to its cost. And the monetary component of choosing an introduced transmission is the main criterion in favor of one option or another, since the main principle of AvtoVAZ’s pricing policy is to produce the most affordable cars possible for ordinary citizens.

Based on the above circumstances, Tolyatti residents decided to equip the Lada Vesta with a manual transmission model from the Renault-Nissan concern. It made much less noise and had smoother shifting. This box was still assembled in Russia, but the parts for its assembly were French components and assemblies.

The automatic transmission is a robotic version of the transmission (automatic transmission - AMT). It was decided not to install a classic automatic on the Lada Vesta, also for economic reasons. In this robot, the electronic system turns the clutch off and on, and can also independently change gears.

Modification of the mechanical box

The Volzhsky Automobile Plant strives to reduce costs for the production of serial cars. One of the options for reducing manufacturing costs is to replace foreign-made parts with domestic ones. This concept has already been implemented on the Lada XRAY: recently the Japanese engine from Nissan has ceased to be installed on the crossover.

This fall, it was decided to do the same with the Vesta line of cars: from September, sedans and hatchbacks of this model will be equipped with a domestic one instead of a French manual transmission. It is a modified version of the VAZ-2180 transmission. The shift knob also has 5 positions and reverse. The transmission drive in this box is a cable. This mechanics is used to equip the chassis of Grant, Kalina and Priora cars. The modified 21087 system provides an increase in torque compared to the old version. Also, the new version will work with significantly less noise, because AvtoVAZ used new equipment to manufacture the main pair units.

The new box has been changed like this.

Gearbox device

It was precisely because of the high noise and hum generated when driving that the ex-president of the company decided not to use the Russian 2180, choosing the French manual transmission Renault JH3 as an alternative. As mentioned above, Renault boxes are assembled at VAZ, but they consist entirely of French-made parts and components. Before the launch of West into mass production, engineers said that the cost of the French mechanism was 3 thousand rubles more expensive, which was about 20 percent of the cost of the entire box. And since VAZ strives to reduce production costs, work was carried out throughout the year to improve the old-style manual transmission. Thanks to the work done, 1.6 liter engines have been equipped with VAZ 21087 since September. In the future, it is planned to introduce this box on 1.8 liter units.

The gear shift knob itself does not differ in appearance from the old one. To understand which box is on your Vesta, take a look at the Lada VIN number:

• GFL13 numbers correspond to Renault;
• GFL11 – AvtoVAZ.

Cars with French-style gearboxes can still be purchased, but mass production of cars with such a transmission has already been stopped. Now Vestas with VAZ mechanics are arriving at car dealerships.